Do Media Consumers Actually Engage With Media?

Do Media Consumers Actually Engage With Media

God forbid we try out new things.

Lately, I‘ve been looking at anime fandom on twitter and the overall movie watchers community only to realize how absolutely estranged I am from both of these groups that couldn‘t be any more different if they tried despite some niche overlap but ultimately have one thing in common, namely that they‘re relatively easy to categorize as monolithic entities I don‘t belong to and from which I find it hard to discern individuals with any sort of… personality or preferences that stand out, for lack of a better description. This is something I‘ve always been aware of to some extent with anime fandom at least, after all, it feels like there‘s a strong group selection bias with inseparable walls between the shounen screechers, the fanservice freaks and the pretentious pseuds but just how bad it is is something I‘ve come to notice upon spreading my feelers elsewhere with movies only to find a similiar kind of situation there.

First of all, it‘s important to understand of course that if you take any of this stuff passionately, you will not connect with most of the people who also watch some of these things. Most people do not care about the media or art but are just consumers. If anything, the recent onslaught of AI controversies has drawn this to the forefront. 99% of people who watch things don‘t look at the OpenAI Sora reveal thinking about the loss of art and craftsmanship but react in ways similar to “A cool new toy! Will I be able to remake Game of Thrones S8 with this?!“ And I feel like a lot of the people who actually identify with anime or movies as a hobby don‘t realize that they‘re in the niche here. Sorry to say, pal, but you‘re still the nerds stuck in your bubble you can no longer perceive as such due to these fields growing in popularity while your circles remain relatively the same or shrink even.

Speaking of nerds, anime is mainstream now, what joy! Except you‘re still just the exception to the rule and foreign element for not watching the same few things over and over again. You see, when I was a child, I had a cool moment of connecting when I saw a kid at my school read manga. “You read manga? Me too! Awesome! Let‘s be friends!“ This doesn‘t happen anymore because you cannot connect with most of an anime fandom that just routinely watches a few things within a very narrow frame of interest and has no passion for interacting with the medium any further.

Do Media Consumers Actually Engage With Media - The Downfall of Akihabara

The true long-standing otaku type barely exists anymore. And I don‘t mean the moe kawaii uguu pantsu type (also a dying breed) but the one who sticks with the medium. Anime is more popular than ever and has a higher turnover rate than ever before. It‘s become a consumption good to use and toss away not just in terms of the individual works but also of a medium as a whole. 14 year olds get into anime, watch their fair share of isekais, shounen and Bocchis and by age 17, get out of the medium. It‘s a revolving door. Anime is an intermediate process. In that way, anime is a temporarily pump and dump consumption good with a longevity of a few years. Anime is the new gacha. This is precisely why there is so much isekai stuff – anime doesn‘t need to renew when the audience does all the time. Who am I supposed to connect with here? I‘ve seen so many people jump out of anime and straight up deleting their online presences after just a few years. And I‘m not getting any younger either.

This is an overall problem with a certain pattern I’ve come to notice: Not to put myself on a pedestal but it‘s really hard to find like-minded people. I‘ll talk about arthouse movies in one tweet and fetishes in the next. I engage with different kind of media and none of them gets a pass or an outright condemnation. I‘ve never cared about engaging with just one genre or kind of show and am in the minority for that. Unless it‘s video games, which are more akin to sports in terms of preference selection I believe. But the guy who has Yu-Gi-Oh! and Texhnolyze in his 3×3? How many are there? The absolute effort I have to undertake to get someone to watch something that is not on the list of the canon of good works. Tatakau Shisho is a good example of a work that doesn‘t have a reknown director or writer and that‘s the end of the story. Shigofumi is among the anime with the best directing I‘ve seen, no success either. Getting people within the higher tiers of media to engage with MahoIku is an impossible task as well, what‘s it with the Madoka knockoff branding. People have become so indistinctive in their preference profiling it‘s become boring and tedious to recommend things to them because they‘d either watch them anyway or, if it‘s outside their field of interest, not ever to begin with. That‘s surprisingly rare.

To put it better into words: who else can watch both Eternity And A Day and MahoAko? Most folks only engage with media narrowly. People shoehorn themselves into high art and low art categories too much and base their entire personalities around them. The high art crowd especially loves to do this and gives everything with artistic ambitions an immediate pass. It reeks so much of peer-approval seeking. They want to stand out by imitating their fellows, thus not standing out. Some American Psycho kind of stuff that is.

It feels like there‘s a canon of an approved opinion corridor. While I‘ve always disliked the following image for how dishonest and anti-intellectual it is, it does showcase one issue namely that there‘s no personality in most of these 3x3s.

Do Media Consumers Actually Engage With Media - Anime Elitist 3x3

I understand that there are certain tendencies but good grief, just give me one guy who‘s into these kinds of anime who will let out a statement like “Akame ga Kill! is more interesting than Utena.“ The most demonstrative cases of peer approval pressure are when people start posting their hot takes and none of their hot takes are hot or controversial or spicy within their sphere. I‘m sorry, but some anime elitists saying that SAO is bad and immediately getting everyone to nod in agreement is not hot. It‘s not even lukewarm. It‘s just conformist and all you‘ve done is to prove that you‘re more of the same. If I can tell what your opinions about individual anime are based solely on only your 3×3 as a point of reference, you‘re boring.

On a random sidenote, every now and then the community collectively comes together to laugh at someone with exactly that kind of 3×3 and attitude and I can‘t help but sympathize with that poor sap since a lot of the people laughing at him have exactly that kind of 3×3. What makes you think you‘re so different for having Haibane Renmai instead of Tatami Galaxy and Princess Tutu instead of Mushishi on there? We should play 3×3 memory and see if we could still attribute these blindly to their owners. I’d argue they all blend together. Everyone is just careful to not ever make one wrong step or else they will be seen as a Deeply Unserious Person. Unless they‘re playing that part already comically to hide themselves within layers of irony, which is also an Internet thing.

I look at anitwitter and it‘s like half of the people I see do nothing but post epic shounen flamewars, lewd tweets or they are so high-struck they pretend sexual thoughts don‘t even exist. Unless it‘s Bakemonogatari, which has the critical thinker‘s license to a “tastefully expressed genre of eroticism for the thinking man“. It‘s fine, you can say “megane oppai“ and “loli pantsu“ just like the rest.

My favorite visual novel, Sekien no Inganock, I got recommended from a guy whose taste was garbage and who hated me and I hated him. And he was like “You know what, I like this and this is your kind of stuff.“ This guy and I were never on the same wavelength but in that one very valuable instance, we were, for the very reason that I knew who he was and that he knew who I was and man, does that not happen anymore. Meanwhile, in my 15 years of shilling, I have never gotten anyone to read Inganock. And recommending things outside of the general zone of interest is always more interesting to me than getting someone to watch Casshern Sins or Hajime no Ippo, which, yes, while good anime, most people will recommend in general and know in general and like in general.

Do Media Consumers Actually Engage With Media - The Making of Eroge

Once again, I understand that there are certain tendencies in public perception and that‘s okay. More people will like Frieren than Undead Girl Murder Farce. But I sometimes feel so utterly contrarian with how much some of my opinions stand out with no intention on my part. Yes, I do believe that Paranoia Agent is Satoshi Kon‘s best work and I do believe that Dark Souls 2 is the most interesting in the trilogy despite or rather because of Miyazaki‘s non-involvement.

I‘m sorry but if you give every single Bergman movie a 5/5, I‘m starting to question if you have actual media opinions and don‘t just want to associate yourself with a brand. You‘re allowed to say some of these are boring. I, for one, watch movies, not filmmakers. “Auteur“ is just a term, not a binding rule of law. I‘ve seen people get into entire profiling sessions over what others like or don‘t and what they themselves like or don‘t. Excuse me, what the fuck is this armchair psychology nonsense? This entire grouping attitude reminds me more of people into astrology.

A lot of online reviews of businesses and such tend to be more on the negative side of things since why would you rate your local bakery well for doing what it‘s supposed to do yet when I google for people‘s movie impressions, it‘s the exact opposite, at least with the arthouse type. Nobody wants to shit in that reddit thread by complaining about how he thought there was too little substance to that really long-winded arthouse movie and that its minute-long landscape panning scenes should have been cut down and I can understand why not. But there is an inherent value in it for other people such as myself when there‘s someone who is a similar kind of person like me and remarks he didn‘t find this particularly interesting. That might resonate with me more than the samey mush of people agreeing with each other. At least that kind of person stands out. So many online comments on reddit, letterboxd and whatnot all read the same.

I feel like like there are two ways in which students emerge from literature classes at school – they either turn into the “Hehe, my teachers thought the curtains being blue meant anything other than the curtains being blue“ dumbasses or the “What the curtains being blue means? I don‘t know! It could mean anything! Anyone can interpret anything into this, that’s how deep a masterpiece goes! Let‘s not get lost in the details and just gaze in awe at the artwork in front of my mirror!“ pseuds. At least your teacher had the decency to talk about the curtains and explain them. One side ignores them entirely and the other uses them as a prop, thus also ignoring them entirely.

Do Media Consumers Actually Engage With Media - Pretentious Letterboxd Reviews

You look at the movie reviews on letterboxd and it‘s really quite terrible. No, not the wacky one-liners generated to garner likes. Those are terrible too. The utterly pretentious ones I mean. Written by Thesaurus teenagers. After watching a movie with themes and nebulous plot elements, I usually look up others‘ reactions for clarity. But what I find is just circlejerking. People will do anything to attribute pretty adjectives to their intellectual media because they‘re attributing these nice words to themselves through implication that you are what you watch. It‘s some kind of indirect mastery wherein you watching smart movies means you‘re smart. As such, they never try to dissect the entertainment.

What actually happens in Persona? What does some of the symbolism in Landscape in the Mist signify? Every movie gets labelled as a deep, stunning masterpiece that changed their outlook on life but once you ask the very simple questions of “Hey, what did A part in scene Y actually mean? What was that about?“ they dodge any concrete questions through vague answers. Answer the question. What are you, politicians? I‘m not voting for you. The reason for this is that if they had to interact with these movies in a concrete manner and use their own intellect instead of the filmmaker‘s as a proxy, their entire pretention would crumble immediately, for everyone to see. They would become laid bare, stripped of the cloth that is the movie that they use to dress themselves. And we can’t have that. They claim to be media literate but they don‘t actually interact with the media and just use it as a fashion tool. It is, by definition, thus not media literacy but media illiteracy that they are flaunting. They don‘t analyze, they just feel. Not the individual movie but the pleasure of conformity. And then you have several of these people in the same room, talking about the same movie, except they‘re not actually talking about the movie but all somehow monologiung the same sentiments. You don‘t connect with the movies and you don‘t connect with other moviewatchers.

I look at people‘s individual media takes and all I see are caricatures and groups.

Do Media Consumers Actually Engage With Media - Chainsaw Man‘s Makima Only Considers Every Tenth Movie Interesting

Upon retrospection, I’ve wondered why I brought my twitter fetish ramblings up at the start of the article. The point is, I believe, that I am expressing myself through my interests. This is why I like reading MahoIku so much because there are plenty of one-liners that help me interpret the author and make think “He gets it!“. And isn’t that such a nice thought, to share a niche with someone? Doesn’t matter whether that involves posting some obscure OST from the first Boktai game, write an ode to tights or retweet a scene from Landscape in the Mist. The point of communication is wanting to be understood.

Likewise, it doesn‘t really matter whether I look at letterboxd reviews with a lot to talk and nothing to say or twitter‘s absence of character, all I want is a human moment. And for the most part, I‘m not getting it.

7 thoughts on “Do Media Consumers Actually Engage With Media?

  1. That American Psycho comment is a perfect representation of the anime/film community.

    Nothing I hate more than when I run across a twitter account and see the term “multifandom” in their bio, like no fucking shit? Makes me want to strangle them and scream “You can like more than one thing, you can like multiple contradicting interests it doesn’t matter. Showcase your individuality.”

    I don’t know if it’s due to the fact we’ve both been in the fandom for over a decade but what you describe is something that feels very apparent and obvious and I have to wonder “Are we the outliers for noticing this? Is this not obvious to everyone else or are they actively not acknowledging it?”

    Idk how to segue into this, but its funny you mentioned Yu-gi-oh being in your 3×3. That might have been the reason I initially followed you. In the past I would search up “anime 3×3” and look for people with odd, eccentric or otherwise unique seeming taste. Something that screams “I like these acclaimed anime, but X has a special place in my heart that I don’t care if it seems out of place. This is MY 3×3 at the end of the day, I’m not conforming my likes.”

    The anime being an intermediate process/revolving door is something I’ve noticed too. You’re one of the people that I follow that I think “if he leaves twitter in the near future I would understand his reasoning why, but would still feel sad.”

    They claim to be media literate but they don‘t actually interact with the media and just use it as a fashion tool. It is, by definition, thus not media literacy but media illiteracy that they are flaunting. I look at people‘s individual media takes and all I see are caricatures and groups.

    I certainly feel guilty of this in some capacity. Getting around how a piece of media makes me feel and being able to translate those feelings into words and coherent sentences without being misconstrued is really challenging in general (even more so with twitter’s character count). 

    Any questions or random curiosities feels kind of pointless to examine at times cause if it’s for something even remotely obscure as it might as well be the act of screaming out to a void where no answer will come back. Not sure how to expand on that.

    Sorry if all that is a bit long winded and well randomly jumps from points to points erratically I tried.

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    • Idk how to segue into this, but its funny you mentioned Yu-gi-oh being in your 3×3. 

      Amusingly, once upon a time, someone called me an elitist like any other and then went on a massive tweet rage, generalizing me and put “All elitists like Yu-Gi-Oh!“ on his 20 point list characterizing me. By that point, I realized that if it takes you 20 points to generalize me, I probably don‘t really fall into much of a category to begin with. My favorite part was “If you‘re an anime elitist, you have anime on your favorites list that everyone likes, that only elitists like and that even elitists don‘t know and also Yu-Gi-Oh!“ and I thought “Sounds like you‘re just describing someone with a relatively broad spectrum of anime input?“

      I certainly feel guilty of this in some capacity.

      My point here isn‘t so much about writing down impressions, heck, twitter doesn‘t lend itself to analysis but that people oftentimes don‘t even post impressions in reddit threads or whatever. When I watch something intellectually challenging, I try to look up what others had to say to see if I‘ve missed out on themes and how others interpreted certain scenes of symbolic or unexplained nature, in other words, I was looking for clarity. But it turns out most of the arthouse crowd never actually talks much about these unclear and intellectually challenging parts and oftentimes just plays the old “the movie is not meant to be understood, you‘re supposed to resonate with it“ card as if there was no intellectual intention behind any of the things that happen on screen. At that point I realized these people weren‘t smarter than me – they just didn‘t want to talk about the questions they had because they would have to seek debate on the implication of not understanding something rather than the conformity of “understanding art“.

      It felt like googling a way to solve a maths problem and then maths reddit tells you “You shouldn‘t ask these questions. It is what it is. Your heart knows the answer.“

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    • I’d like to start off by saying Shigofumi is great! It’s been a long damn time since I saw it but I remember it being really good and it sticks out enough in my memory to think about it sometimes. Just thought I’d toss that out there.

      Next I just wanna say I relate to this post so much. I dunno what exactly caused this, maybe just not being able to be picky due to being poor and what I was into being niche when I was growing up as opposed to people who got into this stuff later who were able to just watch/play all the same shit, but with anime, film, and video games my tastes are pretty eclectic. Sure I have favorite genres but that’s just it, I have multiple of them, and generally I’ll take anything as long as it’s done well. I really care most about storytelling and when I’m watching more things in the same genre it’s about comparing it to others and seeing how they tell their stories. This is all less true for film and video games I suppose but still more eclectic than most people even if “action comedies” and “JRPGs” are most of what I’ve rated 10 lol. Don’t really care about the accepted canon of whatever, I do tend to wanna check a lot of that stuff out when it comes to film simply because I know, hey, a lot of people like it but it’s just “on my list” rather than a need to do that. Sometimes I wish I was one of these people as I’d have more people to talk to, but I don’t think the hollow conversations would be worth it. I guess it’d be enough for me if I was though, ignorance is bliss I guess.

      Regardless, there really is way too much conformity. I’ve grown out of contrarianism and am fully willing to admit good shit is good even if it’s really popular, it’s often popular for a good reason(Frieren is in fact a fantastic show, and one of my favorites in recent years. Frieren is a great character and I’d give her a smooch), but the funny thing is just that they all seem to be popular with disparate groups of people :/ There are certainly some who them all but they’re usually the type who are ONLY watching those because they just watch “whatever people are talking about” which is a fine place to START but you’re supposed to seek out your own stuff!

      I do tend to watch by director though but that’s because it’s a safe bet that I’ll get something good when I do. I think a good indicator though is that while I’ve enjoyed the 4 David Lynch movies I’ve seen(Eraserhead was okay but I prefer Lost Highway, Blue Velvet, and Dune), my favorite director is probably John Carpenter. I do like horror quite a bit and he’s made some good ones. Carpenter is such a fortuitous name, almost feels like it was fate, as his films all have a solid workman like craft to them that I really appreciate. But anyway, I like me some stuff like that, like me some art films sometimes, like me some action and especially action comedy, like me some horror(both campy and serious), like me some b-movies like Riki-Oh, all sorts of stuff. It just seems the natural way of things, but people do seem to just watch whatever’s hip with their group and all start to blend together.

      Feels like video games are a LITTLE bit different in that regard but not that much really, I think the accepted video game canon is a lot more diverse in genre though possibly because their mechanics and design tend to be what’s talked about by the big names. Though you can for sure still find plenty of homogeny if you’re looking at like art games for example, still probably all the same games just with more predictable games added since I last checked.

      “So many online comments on reddit, letterboxd and whatnot all read the same.”

      They sure do, it’s astonishing. I can’t count the amount of times I’ve seen what is ostensibly the exact same thing but with different wording at best, and just the order rearranged at worst. Letterboxd reviews really are the worst too, I don’t even both reading them; if it’s not one of those shitty one liners full of zoomerspeak and buzzwords and such it’s a meaningless fluff review.

      I’m not gonna sit here and say I have great taste or a personality but I can confidently say I at least do have them.

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  2. Another great post that really goes hard on a phenomenon we all see but never talk about.

    People will do anything to attribute pretty adjectives to their intellectual media because they‘re attributing these nice words to themselves through implication that you are what you watch. It‘s some kind of indirect mastery wherein you watching smart movies means you‘re smart.

    There’s a lot to be said about the way that consuming media (and more importantly, your choice in which media you pretend to consume) has become such an important load-bearing pillar of so many people’s personalities, at least online. Most online people seem to define themselves by their consumption choices, which, as you mentioned, are tailored to fit whatever community/archetype they (want to) belong to.

    I don’t think anyone here is a smart enough philosopher to really go deep on possible causes or consequences, but surely this isn’t healthy. Not healthy for the individuals who forcibly sort themselves into boxes (the comparison to astrology is very apt), and certainly not healthy for culture as a whole.

    I have nothing much to add other than a realization I had maybe ~5-6 years ago, which is that online politics are just another form of media consumption used as a personality-crutch and an in-group identification card. Just because your choice of entertainment is left-wing Twitch streamers or le based red-pilled YouTube rant bros doesn’t make you any better than the morons who orient their entire lives around Disney musicals.

    Given enough time and enough IRL social isolation, I’m sure these things can literally break one’s mind. That’s how we get crazy online-poisoned mass shooters and neurotic adult babies who regularly go to protests to do drugs. It’s this “politics-as-entertainment” thing that has made public politics both louder and more polarized than ever, even as the actual impact of any public discussion on government policy has never been weaker.

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  3. Hi.

    This is the guy who commented about Sonic, Panty and Stocking, and 4Kids back in your article about Gatekeeping.

    I don’t know if I fully comprehend, but I remember one time that this one guy on YouTube said that fandom is becoming more like a validation gang as opposed to a gathering of commons. Case in point, THE GODDAMN FUCKING PARADE OF SONIC MEMES. It’s almost impossible for a guy like me to enjoy Sonic anymore because, yes, the fandom only cares about reducing everything to caricature.

    Ya know, truth be told, and feel free to criticize me for this, I once wrote a letter to the then director of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (yes, I used to be a brony) that was almost ten pages long. I criticized a lot of habits and stereotypes that MLP was commonly known for. I demanded a unique experience, a normal adventure as opposed to endless spewing of the importance of friendship. I was essentially called a sicko by the fandom.

    Again, feel free to criticize me.

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  4. Well I had a longer comment typed out but the way commenting on wordpress works now has changed since the last time I made one and I think it ate my comment cuz I didn’t do it right.

    So I’ll keep it brief this time and say I really related to what you’ve said in this post especially the part about comments online all sounding the same and letterboxd reviews all being garbage.

    I actually do watch by director often but usually because I can have a good idea as to whether or not I’ll like a film if I liked his other work, and when I want something in a similar style. But a good indicator of my eclectic tastes is that I really liked the 4 David Lynch movies I’ve seen(Eraserhead not so much, it’s incoherent and interpretive on a level that’s just not very enjoyable to me, feels much more refined with something like Lost Highway), John Carpenter is probably my favorite director. Carpenter is such a perfect name for him, as his movies all have this workman like craft to them which I really like.

    I don’t too much mind people who stick to one particular genre so long as they end up being experts about it, actually analyzing and discussing what makes the genre so good and what they like about it, the ins and outs and methods of storytelling it uses. Like kung-fu fans seem to be pretty obsessed with kung-fu movies but a lot of them could probably sit down and tell you everything that’s great about kung-fu movies. A friend of mine sometimes retweets this guy who will talk about some martial arts or wuxia film and the choreography and directing of it was so great and I find that kind of thing pretty respectable. I think people should branch out but I have no issue with people who are actually all in on one genre they love, seeking out more and more of that. Most people just do it thoughtlessly because going out of their comfort zone is too risky, just a matter of “duhhh, more like that I guess.” Me I’m a big JRPG fan and though I haven’t played nearly as many as I want to that’s just because I’m playing other genres, but when I do play another JRPG it’s because I genuinely really love the kind of experiences that they offer and not just because well that’s what I liked before so…

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